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Cloak of Invisibility.
Currently you cant even cast detect spell or you've slowed down and that allows the coi player to just keep spamming the cloak and getting further and further away.
I suggest either make counter detect cost 0 mp with 0 cast cooldown or make counter detect take a flat 25% of target hp so you can't spam this. Can also make Invisibility have a global cooldown, whether you detect/take the cloak off/get detected out you cant cast, swing, going invis again for 15 seconds(this is near the same time as area of silence which is spammed in fights already) however you can still use pots in this cooldown. Or even to help melee's who are alone you can make a debuff for when coi is applied (or even invis spell which costs both mana and magic gems???) and when you put coi on for x time you take bonus damage...
Currently coi is used as a 100% chance to just run freely and avoid any form of bad positioning, currently if you get caught by an enemy or get erased and dk potted or canceled you can just press coi and either get away or prevent yourself from getting venzed.-Yoshi
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
i hope dont do anything modification.
just follow as live.
i believe thats best balanced as far as we can
using coi is working for bad hand player. its not working for fast hand player.
i remember someone keep playing coi then fogged eothout erase, stuned, ff, and die o.o
detect scroll already consume 0mp and no delay
its their hand and brain problem not this coi is op
omg he asking big heavy custom server..
if listen to some player like him, this server will be heavy custom server.
i thought this server close to live as possible as we can
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
I agree CoI should be either changed by adding a CD of 10-15s in order to re-enter, or have some punishment for spamming it of some sort. It takes but 1 finger to spam the hotkey to get away from situations you shouldn't be able to without taking a risk.
About the comment above, it is not a matter of slow bad hands or good fast hands, cause if the target is running away, even tho detect scrolls cost no mana YOU HAVE TO STOP for the casting animation, while the running player does not have to. So please, try to defend your position with valid arguments, instead of "omg hes whining". Also, this is a private server, NOT LIVE. If you really wanna play live, i guess we should reset every character to 0 and have 0% extra drop, 0% extra bonus exp, 0% karma and adena etc etc.
It would be awesome to spend months to reach lvl 50 again -.-
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
Gusl feel free to actually address the issue not post and provide 0 actual input... You clearly aren't a pvp'er because you don't know how detect scrolls work.
Detect scroll costs a Blank 2 scroll to make... it also forces you to do a cast animation which is a negative to the player casting it. The person using a coi is not slowed down and has no animation to enter or exit coi meaning you effectively pulled someone out of coi which a simple double tap of f5-12 = back in coi no delay while you've just stopped to cast the scroll.... yes you lost no mana but you did lose time. Effectively to use a detect scroll you lose the ability to catch your enemy. Feel free to message me in game if you'd like to test this stuff out so I can prove to you a point... this isn't a complaint from someone who doesn't pvp or fight this is input from someone with more hours in endgame areas than 50% and I've witnessed first hand how retarded it is to "chase" cause it's not even PVP..... Also detect scrolls = limited/carry weight coi = infinitely useable.-Yoshi
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
because ur team sucks...
one person detect, elf erase, mage cancel
elf bow him then he cant wear coi back while arrows keep hitting him
go and stun, trriple, destroy
thats it. its done.
u dont know pvp.
detect scroll just 900adena from shop. use macro to make detect is allowed.afk 1h make 600 blank. u can use blank fast enough.
have u ever tested coi? not invis. i mean coi delay.
i dont think so u didnt test it.
i tested it before server start. coi cant wear straightaway. there is little bit delay.
coi consume 1~2hot keys. it has drawback
u said use coi 100% runaway.
i cant believe it
when i play we venz enermy 100% nobody last long.
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
again I restate you post no evidence to the problem and no facts...
1 You're talking about a single scenario where you have a full team.2 You're ruining your point by trying to be rude when you've never beat us in pvp???
3 I'd like to remind you that no, there isn't even a 1 second delay on coi... If you'd like I can take you to warp 1 any time and prove how fast a good player can coi. When an enemy detects you from coi you don't suffer a delay, only suffer a delay if you do it. So essentially I can go invisible as fast as I can touch 2 keys... also you talk about hot keys being used??? you have f1 f2 f3 and alt f3 = more hotkeys that i can use middle mouse button on... it's not taking anything away to hotkey coi. Again you bring up blanks.... so a 900 adena scroll that has weight. If you take into effect a clear is about 5850 a detect scroll is 630 you cant bring a potion for every 9 scrolls you bring. I already carry 200+ CM 200+ Ebolt 200 + detect 50+ para scrolls I've lost the ability to carry 72 potions there which in a fight is the difference between you winning or losing. Were as the enemy can INFINITELY spam coi... theres no cost, no delay, no cons to it.
4) I'd wager my level 58 royal can keep runnning around you safely for easily over an hour to two hours with a coi spam tactic... this is why I don't abuse it. It's not pvp, it's strictly a free run item. You know you're argueing simply cause you use it to coi run bosses. I'll let you attack me freely if you think you can kill even a level 58 royal. cause I can cm on detect, and I can also pot, haste, devils blood all from coi safely before you finish detect animation.-Yoshi
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
i been fight at l4 for 1year.
i never saw coi play work 100%
bring princess to l4 and test it wanna see how he can run around 3 of us and how many justice he can kill
when i on wis lich or iris
1. if u have no team u can not catch anyone just running whatever he has coi or not
2. even 0.2second delay. its enough u should be able to take him down in couple of try
3. if u use f1~f3 key in pvp. u have much more delay
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
If you're Lich then you know i'm right cause I've kicked you every L4 cycle and you don't come anymore... You know 100% that your bp does nothing but coi... now you've taught others... I'm already watching certain players fro KoD start doing it because they've learned from NOCAP that CoI cant be beaten... You say you cant venz 1 player if you're alone but that's not true... add a delay to coi and bring a character that's on delay and I'll catch you. The current issue is how fast/easy coi spam is... there's no delay. I can coi before you erase me any day. Elves stop shooting arrows once you're coi also.
-Yoshi
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
lets come l4 and try coi play when my play hour
i have been fighting kod at dg, chaos, etc
totally i have no idea why u complaning about 25years old coi tactics
and also try venz me 1 vs 1 at l4 as u said its possible if dont use coi.
last time u venzed and m4a1 died to lich
it was 2 vs 1.. then u didnt come back
lol
princess and his shinwa A team can kicked me out its hard to ninjaing. because princess able to fuckin tank knights x 5 .dont get me wrong im not accusing him. just im saying what exactly happened.
but if u alone there i come l4 and kick u out 100% 1 vs 1. u cant say u kicked me out thats lie not true.
u dont even know pvp pls dont try ruin pvp like ur guys did when last event ur guys made big bp it was peaceful. pls dont fucked up pvp again
kod coming l4? thats good for server. i feel this server healthy.
keep fight sink more more adena.
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
Arrows can't hit a target out of coi, even if you are spamming triples. It's been confirmed that it's bugged, triple arrows registers as 1 hit even tho it should be 3.... so you can spam coi while taking triples because of this bug. Gm confirmed this when I brought it to his attention.
COI just needs cooldown unless gm can fix the issue between coi and hit animations.. the way you are able to spam coi is way too broken/buggy... it is nowhere near how live was. On live when you get hit while trying to coi up you bounce right out, here it doesn't most of the time.
you can literally take hits and coi up right now. I am able to coi up when ppl try to mana dagger me while I b2s. Sometimes I notice even when their swings land I stay in coi and don't get hit out. You can spam coi on a stayatill target and he can coi right up, on live THIS does not happen you get hit right back out lol. THIS is why coi is buggy AF. If gm can fix the hit animation and invis issue then coi would be fine as is, but if they can't I personally think coi delay is the best 2nd option
also.... there is no delay for coi, idk what you are talking about. The only delay here is if YOU detect yourself or take yourself out of coi, which is working properly. COI is broken when you get detected you can spam right back in with no consequence of hit animations buzzing you back out of invis or any delay.
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
i agree should be able to attack or land magic while he in coi as live did
but coi delay here already little bit more then live
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
There is literally no delay re-coing when you get detected out by someone else other than the time of how fast your fingers are to recoi
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
really? why my coi has delay o.o cant wear back as i use finger
i agree should be able to hit or land magic while enermy in coi
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
That's lag for you my man. We have no delay... I've never pressed the key and there is a delay, you're just further from the server that's nothing to do with the game as much as your internet. When I get tripled I can coi up while being hit or as soon as detect is casted. There's no delay besides when you yourself fail to hit the key or lag.
-Yoshi
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Re: Cloak of Invisibility.
the solution on live was just to not have them in the game. They nuked drop rates so there was 0-1 COIs on LOA & a handful of legacy ones on ken/dep before the COI nuke came.
Later on close to the end, they put a bunch in game through an event but, for 95% of L1 in US COI just wasn't a common item in game, that was the easy solution. That ship has sailed here, putting a few second delay on invis is probably the closest to a good solution there is at this point, still allows for coi ganking but, doesn't allow invis spamming.
Another decent option, is just allow no actions other than movement while invis, so it doesn't really matter if someone is COI spamming since they can't do anything while invis anyway, other than position themselves.
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